Richard Carrique Ponsonby
The family of
Carrique Ponsonby (or sometimes Carrigue Ponsonby) of Crotto, Co.Kerry.
- References:
- Marriage settlement,
Ponsonby and Blennerhassett,
dated 29th June 1799,
registered with
[LR]
29 July 1802,
book 549, p.25, no.361876.
- Deed dated 31 Mar 1806,
Ponsonby to Blennerhassett, registered with
[LR]
23 Apr 1806,
book 581, p.233, no.391828.
- Deed of 1825
- Deed,
Louisa Ponsonby to Crosbie and Sandes,
dated 9 June 1825,
registered 16 June 1825,
[LR]
803 578 542313.
- Rowan Papers
in [NLI Ms]
- D. 26706
is draft of
Deed of 1825.
"Draft of deed by Louisa Ponsonby settling on trustees her part of the charge on lands at Crotto, Co. Kerry".
Deed signed 9 June 1825 (NOT Jan).
Later disputed by Louisa, who claimed her uncle's family had pressurised her.
"Deposed" Apr 1827.
- Deeds of 1829
sorting out the recovery by Louisa Ponsonby of her inheritance
after she won her case.
- Deed,
Ponsonby to Tyrrell,
dated 1 May 1829,
registered 8 July 1829,
[LR]
848 333 567833.
- Deed,
Crosbie to Ponsonby,
dated 20 Apr 1829,
registered 8 July 1829,
[LR]
848 334 567834.
- Marriage settlement of Louisa Ponsonby and William Rumley Monsell,
dated 23 Oct 1833,
registered 3 Mar 1834,
[LR]
1834 - 4 - 294.
- Marriage settlement of Mary Ponsonby and William Miller,
dated 28 June 1828,
registered 10 July 1828,
[LR]
836 479 562014.
- Sources yet to be consulted:
- Entry for William Miller in
[Patrick Carroll's Notebooks].
- Find official record of the 1827 dispute over the deed of 1825.
Searched
[NAI]
Irish Record Commission, Chancery Orders, RC 6/8 (1827), not found.
(todo) search RC 6/7 (1816-27).
Richard Ponsonby
[descendant of
Edward I],
Richard Carrique Ponsonby,
of
Crotto, Co.Kerry
(at least by birth,
but his brother inherited it),
Major in the Kerry Regiment (or Kerry Militia),
note Letitia's brother
Thomas Blennerhassett
was a Captain in the Kerry Militia at Tralee,
Richard's father died 1796,
his brother
William
inherited Crotto 1796, but
Richard got a huge inheritance,
mar,
settlement in
[Deed dated 29th June 1799],
to
Letitia Blennerhassett [born 9th June 1780,
descendant of
Edward III],
mar settlement and
[Deed, 1829]
show his inheritance as £4,000,
being the remainder of the original £6,000 inheritance,
the inheritance comes
from the Ponsonby estate, not from Blennerhassett,
and
Letitia will inherit it if she survives Ponsonby,
[Lindsay family tree]
says
after the
1798 Rising
the regiment was disbanded,
and he got a job in the
Revenue
service,
in
[Deed, 1801]
he is living Tralee
while his brother William is living Crotto,
their son was bapt Tralee 1801,
Richard is listed as of the parish of Tralee,
Letitia's father died 1804,
in
[Deed, 1806]
Richard is
described as of
Tarbert Island,
Kilnaughtin par, Co.Kerry
(see
map),
this is where
Lindsay
was from,
this might be where Ponsonby worked in the Revenue service,
it is unclear what
[Deed, 1806]
means,
it refers to their marriage settlement, and the inheritance of £4,000
(which comes from the Ponsonby side),
the two parties to the deed
are (1) Letitia and her husband Richard,
and (2)
Thomas Blennerhassett of Tralee
(must be her brother and her late father's heir),
Richard died 20 Apr 1811, at Tarbert,
(todo) see notice in
Leinster Journal,
[Lindsay family tree]
says that
William Lindsay worked under Ponsonby
in the Revenue service,
and married his widow 2 months after he died,
no admin found in
[NAI],
at his widow's 2nd mar 1811 he is listed as
"the late Richard Ponsonby Esq Surveyor of Tarbert",
had issue:
- John James Ponsonby,
after Blennerhassett grandfather
and Ponsonby grandfather,
bapt 18 July 1801,
[Tralee Protestant par records],
not mentioned later, must have died young,
the £4,000 inheritance is split equally between the two daus,
so there must not have been any other surviving children.
- Louisa Ponsonby, born think 1804,
would be named after grandmother,
[Deed, 1825, draft]
says she has
"lately attained her age of 21 years",
described as unmarried, of Crotto,
in 1825 (not living with mother,
even though father is dead),
in June 1825 she was unmarried, and became pregnant, which would have been a great scandal,
she was secluded at Crotto House with her uncle William Ponsonby's
family,
a later witness (see below) said that in 1825 they believed that
"from the peculiar circumstances of her situation she was unwilling to appear much in society",
her cousin William Ponsonby junior said that in 1825 she was
"in deep affliction and mental distress",
stayed mainly in her room, would only meet family, would not meet with society,
a witness said "she was ashamed of appearing to visitors or strangers at Crotto house",
in this condition, in
[Deed, 1825]
she then disinherits her own unborn illegitimate child in favour of her Ponsonby relations
(her sister and her uncle's family)
who will receive her (huge) inheritance if she has no lawful issue,
nothing for her child,
and nothing for her mother either,
she signed the deed in Crotto House in June 1825,
[Deed, 1825]
is about her inheritance of £2,000,
her share of the £4,000 inheritance
on Ponsonby lands in Co.Kerry,
she makes over her inheritance unto (must be trustees)
James Crosbie of Ballyheige Castle, Co.Kerry,
Colonel of Kerry Regiment of Militia,
and William Sandes of Piermount, Co.Kerry,
witnessed by Pierse Crosbie of Ballyheige,
and John Herbert of Crotto, carpenter,
her uncle William was present when Louisa signed,
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she later regrets this deed,
and accuses her uncle's family of having pressurised her
when she was distressed, and staying in their house,
[Deed, 1829, Crosbie]
says Louisa on or about 5 Oct 1825
filed a Bill in the Court of Chancery in Ireland
against her uncle William and others,
impeaching the deed of 9 June 1825,
and asking for it to be cancelled,
[Ms 20608]
contains a dramatic document about this dispute in 1827,
Louisa is the plaintiff,
and
her sister Mary and uncle's family (William, Honoria and Anne)
and others are the defendants,
there is a set of questions for witnesses dated 24 Mar 1827,
and a set of witness statements taken in Apr 1827 about the events of 1825,
one witness said that in 1825 Louisa
"was under the influence of wounded feelings at the time in consequence of the calamity which had
befallen her. ... She had been crying.",
another witness said she appeared
"to be in mental distress and dejection for some weeks before she executed said deed"
and at the signing
"her eyes appeared to be swollen from tears",
a witness statement reported though that her uncle William had said that Louisa
"should make some provision for the unfortunate child she was bearing",
[Deed, 1829, Crosbie]
says
the case was heard 17 July 1827,
Louisa won the case and got her £2,000 inheritance back,
she did not marry her lover,
in [Deeds, 1829]
she is listed as spinster, formerly of Crotto,
but now of Tarbert
(i.e. no longer living with her uncle,
but now living with her mother),
[Deed, 1829, Tyrrell]
says that when Louisa reached age 21 (her father dead, mother gone, living with her uncle William Ponsonby),
she was entitled to £1,000,
and "it being inconvenient for said William Ponsonby to pay same",
he applied to James Tyrrell, of Lr Mount St, Dublin, to pay her the sum,
William Ponsonby later paid Tyrrell back,
[Deed, 1829, Tyrrell]
was witnessed by
William Lindsay of Tarbert
and John Herbert, of Crotto,
[Deed, 1829, Crosbie]
is sorting out her inheritance after winning her case,
among the parties are all the Ponsonbys and the above (probable trustees)
James Crosbie of Ballyheige Castle, Colonel of Kerry Militia,
and William Sandes of Piermount, Co.Kerry,
[Deed, 1829, Crosbie]
was witnessed by
William Lindsay of Tarbert
and
W.M. Twiss of Ballyheige Castle,
Louisa mar 14 June 1833, St.Munchin's, Limerick, to
William Rumley Monsell [of Limerick],
[Marriage settlement dated 23 Oct 1833]
shows Louisa has inheritance of £3,000,
Marriage settlement says that if she has no heirs,
her inheritance is to go to
"the favourite stepbrothers of the said Louisa Monsell,
namely Joseph Lindsay, Blennerhassett Goddard Lindsay and William Lindsay",
she must be Mrs. Louisa Monsell,
died 1 Sept 1836 [church burial record],
bur St.Munchin's, Limerick,
(todo) find grave,
this is
St.Munchin's (Church of Ireland),
now no longer used as a church,
not to be confused with
St.Munchin's (Catholic),
no admin found in
[NAI].
- Mary Ponsonby, 2nd dau, born think post-1804,
would be named after grandmother,
described as unmarried, of Crotto, in 1825 (not living with mother,
even though father is dead),
listed as of Crotto
in 1828 (still living with her uncle William),
her uncle William is party to her marriage settlement,
mar
[mar settlement, 28 June 1828]
to
William Miller [William T. Miller],
(todo) see The Western Herald or Kerry Advertizer, 28 June 1828,
he is listed in marriage settlement 1828 as Chief Constable of police
stationed at Listowel, Co.Kerry,
this is the County Constabulary
(which much later became the RIC),
no service record found for him in
police service records
(only includes those who were serving in 1836 and later),
he is listed in
[RIC officers],
which says he was Chief Constable of Listowel 1828,
marriage settlement is about her Ponsonby inheritance,
it covers a sum of
£1,880,
the remainder of her inheritance of £2,000,
her share of the £4,000,
the remainder of the original £6,000 inheritance
on Ponsonby lands in Co.Kerry,
marriage settlement witnessed by
William Ponsonby, junior, of Crotto
and John Herbert, carpenter, of Crotto,
they are living Listowel
as at
[Deed, 1829, Crosbie].
he was Chief Constable of Kilfinane, Co.Limerick, 1829
[RIC officers],
he was arrested and jailed in Limerick for debt in May 1830
[RIC officers],
he was dismissed from the constabulary on 25 Nov 1830 for gambling and
being frequently in arrears to the men under his command
[RIC officers].
- Searching for Monsell deaths:
- He is NOT death of William Thomas Monsell, Kilkeedy par, Co.Limerick, 1836.
- He is NOT death of William Monsell, Kilkeedy par, Co.Limerick, 1837.
- He is NOT death of William Monsell, Kilkeedy par, Co.Limerick, 1845.
- She is almost certainly NOT Louisa Maunsell, widow, who died Doran's Hill, Newry,
1878, age 75 (born 1803)
[GROI],
who apart from the spelling, and the better candidate above, is listed as a labourer.
- Searching for Miller deaths:
-
She is almost certainly NOT
Mary Miller, who died
Barrack Stream, Co.Cork,
1865, age 60 (born 1805)
[GROI],
who is wife of a labourer, apparently Thomas Miller.
-
He might possibly be
William Miller, farmer, married, who died
Coolcoulaghta, Durrus par, Co.Cork,
24 July 1865, age 60 (born 1805)
[GROI],
though death registered by Mary Miller, of Coolcoulaghta, illiterate.
-
He might possibly be
William Miller, victualler, married, who died
Castletownroche,
Co.Cork,
9 July 1868, age 66 (born 1802)
[GROI].
-
No relevant Miller admin found in
[NAI] 1865-71.
-
William Rumley Monsell, of Limerick, mar 1833,
is not the same as (but may be a relation of):
-
William Monsell, 1st Baron Emly,
born 1812, of Co.Limerick family,
see EMLY
in [Burkes Peerage, 1929],
see MONSELL
in [Burkes Irish, 1976],
see
Monsell of Tervoe Papers,
mar 1stly in 1836,
died Limerick,
1894, age 81
[GROI].