The line presented by George Larson breaks down between the third & fourth generations in. I have in my notes this from Douglas Richardson: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear Dave, Leo, & Newsgroup: An all new corrected descent from King Henry II of England for Elizabeth Holand, wife of Sir Roger Fiennes, is provided below. This descent will appear for the first time in print in the forthcoming 3rd edition of Plantagenet Ancestry. The line below corrects the previous 2nd edition of Plantagenet Ancestry which incorrectly identified Elizabeth (Holand) Fiennes as the daughter of John Holand, Duke of Exeter. The following colonial immigrants descend from Elizabeth (Holand) Fiennes: 1. Essex Beville. 2. Mary Launce. 3. Thomas Lunsford. Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah E-mail: royalancestry@msn.com - - - - - - - - - - - - 1. Henry II, King of England, by a mistress, Ida. 2. William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury, died 1226, married Ela of Salisbury, died 1261. 3. Stephen Longespee, of Wanborough, Wiltshire and Sutton, co. Northampton, Justiciar of Ireland, Seneschal of Gascony, died 1260, married Emmeline de Ridelisford, died 1275/6. 4. Ela Longespee, married Roger la Zouche, Knt., born c. 1240/2, died 1285. 5. Alan la Zouche, Lord Zouche, born 1267, died 1314, married Eleanor de Segrave. 6. Maud la Zouche, born c. 1290, died 1349, married Robert de Holand, Knt., 1st Lord Holand, died 1328. 7. Robert de Holand, 2nd Lord Holand, of Thorpe Waterville, co. Northampton, born about 1312, died 1373, married Elizabeth. 8. John de Holand, Knt., of Thorpe Waterville, co. Northampton, younger son & heir male, living 1393, married _____. 9. Elizabeth de Holand, living 1441, married Roger Fiennes, Knt., born 1384, died 1449. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Another break between generations 8 and 9. Leo shows different parents for the Anthony Pelham who m. Margaret Hall. http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00284851&tree=LEO