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Royal Descents of famous people - Unproved and Disproved Royal Descents


Unproved and Disproved Royal Descents

To prove a Royal Descent, one needs to prove every single step. It is often hard or impossible for researchers to be experts in each family at each step in the chain.

As a result, Royal Descents are often proposed only to fail later when one step in the chain is discovered to have problems. Here is a collection of unproved or claimed or disproved Royal Descents of famous people.

For the list of ones that are proved (or at least, not yet disputed) see Royal Descents of famous people - The List.




Index of errors and problems

This list collects errors and problems that occur across multiple attempted descents, as opposed to ones found in only one attempted descent.
  1. Baynton-Echingham-Fitzalan line - The attempted descent of Joan Echingham (wife of John Baynton) from John FitzAlan and Eleanor Maltravers is wrong. See discussion on soc.genealogy.medieval.
  2. Beke/Stafford line - The wife of Nicholas Beke is said to be Joan Stafford, dau of Ralph de Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford - however by his 1st wife, not his 2nd wife. And even this is not certain. See discussion.
  3. Bowen line - Richard Bowen (who married Ann Borne) was not the son of James Bowen and Ellen Griffith.
  4. de Châtillon line - Béatrix de Châtillon is not dau of Marie de Bretagne. She does not descend from Henry III, but does descend from Stephen.
  5. Dudley line - William Dudley is son of William Dudley and Ellen/Eleanor, not David Dudley and Joanna Arnold.
  6. Hoar/Lisle line - Alice Lisle (wife of John Hoare) is apparently not dau of John Lisle and Alicia Beconsawe.
  7. Holand line - Elizabeth Holand is not the dau of John Holland, 1st Duke of Exeter. See notes by Ed Mann. See 2001 post by Douglas Richardson.
  8. Mallory line - Margaret (surname unknown) who married Robert Corbet was apparently not the daughter of William Mallory. Rather he was her 2nd husband.
  9. Robert Mauleverer theory - One theory of parents of Robert Mauleverer has him as grandson of Anne Bigod. See extract from Page 514 of [Richardson, 2011]. Another theory for parents of Robert Mauleverer has him as grandson of Alice Neville. See note by Ed Mann.
  10. Southworth line - It is not proved that Edward Southworth is son of Thomas Southworth. See p.14 of Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists. See [Roberts, 2008, pp.308-309]. See post by Deborah Southworth Sweet.
  11. Stafford line - Anne Stafford (wife of William Berkeley) is dau of Humphrey Stafford and Eleanor Aylesbury not Humphrey Stafford and Margaret Beaufort.
  12. Street/Poole/Pole line - The claimed descent of Ann Poole (wife of Nicholas Street) from William Pole and Katherine Popham is disputed.
  13. Welles line - Anne Welles (wife of James Butler) is dau of 4th Baron Welles not 5th.
  


Unproven claims about US Presidents

See summary of what US Presidents have proven Royal Descents.

There are unproven claims that more US Presidents have Royal Descents.




Specific US Presidents and politicians

  1. Andrew Jackson, born 1767, US President.

  2. Zachary Taylor, born 1784, US President.
    • See descent from Edward III through William Strother by Ed Mann.
    • [Roberts, 1995] says the Strother descent is unproved.
    • [Roberts, 1995] says there is another possible but unproved descent from Edward I through Anthony Savage.
    • See here.

  3. James Buchanan, born 1791, US President.

  4. Abraham Lincoln, born 1809, US President.

  5. Ulysses S. Grant, born 1822, US President.
    • This attempted descent from Edward III by Ed Mann fails because the parentage of Walter Palmer is wrong.
      • Elizabeth Verney (died 1592) did not marry John Palmer and did not have a son Walter.
      • Walter Palmer's parents are uncertain. See Larry Chesebro site here and here. See Walter Palmer Society here and here.
    • The descent of Ulysses S. Grant through Booth from Henry II shown in [Burkes Presidential] and here and here and here was disproved by Donald Lines Jacobus in The American Genealogist 37: 77-79.
    • There was a claimed descent from Edward III through Clement Miner (born 1585), who was claimed to be the grandson of John de la Pole (died 1491) and Elizabeth Plantagenet. See summary. But the dates are impossible. This descent was proven false in the New England Historical and Genealogical Register around 1990. See here.

  6. Stonewall Jackson, born 1824, Confederate general in American Civil War.

  7. James Abram Garfield, born 1831, US President.

  8. Bob Dole, born 1923, US Presidential candidate.

  9. Colin Powell, born 1937, US Secretary of State.
    • William Addams Reitwiesner summarises the claim. Colin Powell claims his mother Maud Arial McKoy, born 1901, is descended from Sir Eyre Coote, born 1760, who descends from Edward III. No proof is given.

  10. Bill Clinton, born 1946, US President.





Other people

  1. Oliver Cromwell, born 1599, Lord Protector of England, Scotland, and Ireland.

  2. Daniel Boone, born 1734, pioneer explorer of the American West.
    • The claimed descent of Daniel Boone through Morgan from Lady Frances Somerset and hence from Edward III is disproved in:
      • "The Family of Edward Morgan of Pennsylvania: Daniel Boone's Maternal Kin" [part 1], Stewart Baldwin, The Genealogist, Vol. 15, No. 1 (Spring 2001): 104-28.
      • "The Family of Edward Morgan of Pennsylvania: Daniel Boone's Maternal Kin" [part 2], Stewart Baldwin, The Genealogist, Vol. 15, No. 2 (Fall 2001): 172-95.

  3. Robert Wood Johnson, born 1845, founder of Johnson & Johnson.
    • See attempted descent from Edward I by George Larson. See problem with Mallory line.

  4. Cecil B. DeMille, born 1881, film director.
    • Gary Boyd Roberts shows a Royal Descent: "CECIL BLOUNT DEMILLE, 1881-1959 (Constance Adams; Frederic Adams & Ella King; Frederic Augustus Adams ..."
    • At first glance, this looks like a Royal Descent for DeMille. But confusingly, he is showing a Royal Descent for DeMille's wife.

  5. Benjamin Spock, born 1903, pediatrician.

  6. Sir Laurence Olivier, born 1907, actor.

  7. Bill Gore, born 1912, founder of Gore-Tex.
    • See attempted descent from Edward III by George Larson. However this fails on the Bowen line.

  8. Donald Maclean, born 1913, Soviet spy.
    • The attempted descent of Maclean the spy from Charles II is wrong.
    • Maclean the spy is son of the politician Donald Maclean (born 1864, died 1932) who married 2 Oct 1907 to Gwendolen Devitt.
    • This was formerly confused with Donald Charles Hugh Maclean (born 1876, died 1909) who married 26 Oct 1907 to Gwendoline Hope, descendant of Charles II. This is a totally different couple. See Hope under LINLITHGOW in [Burkes Peerage]. See descent of Rupert Everett.

  9. Roger Sperry, born 1913, neuroscientist.

  10. Gene Roddenberry, born 1921, creator of Star Trek.
    • See attempted descent from Edward III by George Larson. However this fails on the Bowen line.

  11. Willard Boyle, born 1924, physicist.
    • See attempted descent from Edward III by George Larson. However this fails on the Hoar/Lisle line.

  12. Anthony Perkins, born 1932, actor.

  13. Quincy Jones, born 1933, record producer.

  14. Elvis Presley, born 1935, singer.

  15. David Carradine, born 1936, actor.

  16. Lawrence Roberts, born 1937, Internet pioneer.
    • This attempted descent from Edward III by George Larson fails on the Hoar/Lisle line.

  17. Margaret Atwood, born 1939, writer.
    • See attempted descent from Edward III by George Larson. However this fails on the Bowen line.

  18. Kent R. Weeks, born 1941, Egyptologist.

  19. Michael Moore, born 1954, left-wing filmmaker.
    • See attempted descent from Edward I by George Larson. This fails on the Dudley line.

  20. Andie MacDowell, born 1958, actress.
    • See attempted descent from Edward III by George Larson. However this fails on the Bowen line.

  21. Kevin Bacon, born 1958, actor.

  22. Steve Case, born 1958, head of AOL.
    • See attempted descent from Edward III by George Larson. However this fails on the Bowen line.

  23. Candace Bushnell, born 1958, creator of Sex and the City.
    • See attempted descent from Edward I by George Larson. From research by Michael J. Wood. This fails on the Welles line.

  24. Reed Hastings, born 1960, founder of Netflix.

  25. Jack Black, born 1969, actor.

  26. Ethan Hawke, born 1970, actor.
    • See attempted descent from Edward I by George Larson.
    • See more attempted descents from Edward I by Ed Mann.
    • However all these descents fail on the Hoar/Lisle line.

  27. Seth MacFarlane, born 1973, creator of Family Guy.

  28. Amy Adams, born 1974, actress.
    • See attempted descent from Edward I by George Larson. This fails on the Dudley line.

  29. Danica McKellar, born 1975, actress and author.
    • See attempted descent from Edward I by George Larson. This fails on the Dudley line.

  30. Rashida Jones, born 1976, actress.

  31. Rachel McAdams, born 1978, actress.
    • See attempted descent from Edward I by George Larson. This fails on the Southworth line.

  32. Michelle Williams, born 1980, actress.

  33. Kelly Clarkson, born 1982, singer.

  34. Kate Bosworth, born 1983, actress.
    • See attempted descent from Edward III by George Larson. However this fails on the Bowen line.

  35. Lena Dunham, born 1986, actress.
    • See attempted descent from Edward I by George Larson. This fails on the Southworth line.

  36. Kate Upton, born 1992, model.
    • See attempted descent from Edward III by George Larson. However this fails on the Bowen line.




W.B. Yeats

The famous Yeats family descended from a John Butler of Dublin. They believed he descended from Edmund Butler, ancestor of Butler of Newchome, Co.Kilkenny, and descendant of Earls of Ormonde and of Edward I. The Yeats family used the name Butler Yeats as a result.

But no one ever proved the descent. W.B. Yeats himself worked on this link but never managed to prove it.


  

John Butler          Mary Goddard
of Dublin            dau of Charles Goddard
 |                    |
 +---+----------------+
     |
    Mary Butler                        Benjamin Yeats
    born 1751                          of Dublin
     |                                 born 1750
     |                                  |
     +--------+-------------------------+
              |
             Rev. John Yeats
             born 1774
              |
             Rev. William Butler Yeats
             born 1806
              |
             John Butler Yeats
             born 1839
              |
 +------------+---------------------+
 |                                  |
William Butler Yeats               Jack Butler Yeats
poet                               painter
born 1865                          born 1871





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