Moynihan
Tomies on
1829 to 1842 map.
---- Moynihan.
A farmer's son.
[P102/207(3)]
says he was
of
"Knockanerebul, a townland 4 miles east of Killarney".
However this is unidentified.
The only similar name is Knockacappul,
Kilcummin par,
near Stagmount.
[King, 1910]
says he was
Moynihan of Knockdurath.
He
mar (dau) O'Rahilly
[born est c.1700, dau of the poet].
[P102/207(3)]
says that
soon after marriage he got the job of
gamekeeper at Tomies
to Mr. Herbert of Muckross.
They
lived Tomies, Aghadoe par, Co.Kerry
(W side of Lakes of Killarney,
see map).
The poet
died at his dau's house at Tomies, est c.1730.
Moynihan and O'Rahilly had issue:
-
(son) Moynihan,
[P102/207(3)]
says he left Tomies and
lived at Ross Island,
Killarney par,
EC side of Lough Leane,
and says he is father of (but more likely grandfather of):
- Denis Moynihan,
"Denny Moynihan"
[P102/207(3)],
born 1799, according to age on death cert and obituary in 1896 (he was very old, but this age likely an exaggeration),
born 1813, according to age at immigration to Australia in 1869 (age likely an underestimate,
because he was rather older than an immigrant should be),
most likely born c.1805,
probably the Denis bapt 18 Mar 1806
below,
born "Killarney" according to Australian death cert (could mean Killarney area),
of Derrycunihy, Killarney parish.
He emigrated to Australia in 1869.
- other issue, Moynihan,
lived at Ross Island.
The descent of Denis Moynihan from the poet
-
Michael Warren
in 1906
[P102/207(3)]
says
Denny Moynihan, grandson of the poet's daughter, was
of Derrycunihy
and
married Peggy McGillycuddy,
and he and his family emigrated to
Melbourne, Australia, about 30-35 years before 1906.
[King, 1910]
writes him as
Denis Moynihan
and her as
Margaret McGillicuddy.
-
This is clearly our Denis Moynihan, born 1799 to 1813, of Derrycunihy, who married Margaret McGillycuddy
and emigrated with his children in 1869 to Australia
(though to Brisbane not Melbourne,
see map).
-
There is no question that Warren is referring to
our Denis Moynihan.
The question is whether it is proved he descends from the poet's daughter.
If it is proved, then
the poet has
living descendants.
- One issue is what are the names of the missing generations.
Another issue is whether Denis could be grandson of the poet's daughter.
It seems more likely great-grandson.
- It is interesting that the tradition in Ireland was that
Denis Moynihan who went to Australia was the poet's descendant,
since there seems to be no tradition of that among his descendants in Australia.
Extract from Michael Warren's letter of 1906
[P102/207(3)].
Extract from
[King, 1910].
See full size.
Extract from
[King, 1931].
See full size.
The Maurice Moynihan family
Our family looks very much like the following
family, with
our Denis Moynihan
then
bapt 18 Mar 1806.
Note that
our Denis' eldest son is Maurice.
Also, the sponsors of the baptisms of
our Denis' children largely match the siblings here.
-
Maurice Moynihan,
mar 5 September 1793
[Killarney RC par records]
to
Margaret Spillane,
she is incorrectly read as "Mary" at dau Margaret's bapt,
all other records say "Margaret",
one or both is listed at mar as of
"Aghlee"
(Aghalee More and Aghalee Beg,
NW of Killarney),
mar wit by John Connor
and Henry Buckly,
they are listed as of "Ross" at children's bapts 1796-1808 (would be Ross Island),
listed as of "Bunrour" at children's bapts 1810-1816
(Bunrower,
Aghadoe par,
beside Ross Island),
he would be "Maurice Moynihan"
who is listed in
[Tithe Survey, 1823-37]
as holding 15 acres
at
Reen,
Killarney par
(beside Ross Island and Bunrower),
apparently
renting from Mr. Herbert,
one Tithe book
lists him
at "Reene",
another book
lists him at "Reen",
had issue:
- Margaret Moynihan,
bapt 13 July 1796
[Killarney RC par records],
sp Daniel Casey and Margaret Moynihan.
- Catherine Moynihan,
bapt 29 July 1801
[Killarney RC par records],
sp Timothy Moynihan
and Margaret Murphy.
- Cornelius Moynihan,
bapt 7 November 1803
[Killarney RC par records],
sp Michael Spillane
and Catherine Gallivan.
- Denis Moynihan,
bapt 18 Mar 1806
[Killarney RC par records],
sp Denis Moynihan and Catherine Rourk.
- Mary Moynihan,
bapt 15 August 1808
[Killarney RC par records],
sp Daniel Cluvane and Margaret Moynihan.
- Dermot Moynihan,
bapt 27 December 1810
[Killarney RC par records],
sp Patrick Cronin and Joanna Kiely.
- Maurice Moynihan,
bapt 13 August 1813
[Killarney RC par records],
sp Michael Doyle and Margaret Cronin,
must have died young.
- Maurice Moynihan,
second Maurice,
bapt 4 November 1816
[Killarney RC par records],
sp Dermot Moynihan and Ann ----.
Maurice Moynihan
holding 15 acres
at "Reene"
in
one book
of
[Tithe Survey, 1823-37].
Maurice Moynihan
holding 15 acres
at "Reen"
in
other book
of
[Tithe Survey, 1823-37].
The following is an interesting baptism in Tralee.
If the following is a mis-reading of "Spillane", then
Maurice and Margaret seem to have married (in Killarney) just
days before their first child was baptised (in Tralee):
-
Maurice Minahan,
mar Margaret Dillane and had issue:
- Felix Minahin,
bapt 14 September 1793
[Tralee RC par records],
sp Ed. Dinneen and Catherine Butler.
Other Moynihans in the Killarney area
