Herbert
In particular
Herbert, Earl of Pembroke.
Note on Herbert as "Our common ancestors"
Herbert is listed here under "Our common ancestors",
but the difference between my wife's line and my line is massive.
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My wife has a spectacular recent descent from
Henry Herbert, 10th Earl of Pembroke (died 1794).
So everything up to him and below him
is done in great detail.
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My descent from Herbert is totally different, branches off much earlier, and is in fact uncertain.
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I descend
through
Blennerhassett
from
Mary Herbert,
whose husband was granted Killorglin, Co.Kerry, in 1585.
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She is believed to be of the Herbert family that descends
from Sir Richard Herbert (beheaded 1469),
brother of the 1st Earl of Pembroke of the first creation.
But Mary's parentage is uncertain.
This family does not descend from the Norman FitzHerbert family
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Genealogies have existed for centuries claiming to show the Herbert male line above Adam (born est c.1255),
and in particular claiming descent from the Norman FitzHerbert family.
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While that family did exist,
[Clark, 1886]
and others argue
that these Herberts do not descend from them,
and these genealogies
were faked at an early period
to show a Norman origin for the Earls of Pembroke.
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Darrell Wolcott
agrees, and
argues that the true origin of Herbert is native Welsh.
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The known family begins
as follows.
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The surname "Herbert" was not established until the children of
Sir William ap Thomas.
Adam,
born est c.1255.
He
mar
Christian Ddu
[dau of Gwarin Ddu, the "Black Lord" of Llandilo].
They had issue:
Jenkin ap Adam.
He had issue:
Gwyllym ap Jenkin ap Adam,
William.
He
mar Gwenllian Ichon [dau of Howel Ichon].
He died 1377.
They
had issue:
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Sir Thomas ap Gwyllym,
4th son.
He mar Maud Morley
[dau of Sir John Morley, Knt,
of Llansantffraed Court,
Llansantffraed,
Powys, Wales].
Inherited the Morley estate, Llansantffraed Court, 1400.
He died 1438.
They had issue:
- Sir William ap Thomas.
Arms of the Earl of Pembroke.
Above the
tomb
of the 9th Earl of Pembroke in
Wilton parish church.
Motto: "Ung je serviray" ("I will serve but one master").
Photo 2023.
See
larger
and
full size.
References
Sources yet to be consulted
