Sandes
Launcelot Sandes,
mar
Margaret Stoughton
[descendant of
Edward III],
had issue:
- William Sandes,
mar Mary Coward,
had issue:
- Lancelot Sandes,
mar Margaret Crosbie,
had issue:
- Mary Dorothea Sandes,
mar Lancelot Sandes,
had issue:
-
Margaret Sandes,
mar
Reverend Francis Hewson [born 1738]
and had issue.
-
John Sandes, born 1668,
mar Mary Blennerhassett
[descendant of
Edward III],
had issue:
-
Thomas Sandes,
mar Bridget Fitzgerald,
had issue:
-
William Sandes,
born 1736,
of Sallow Glen
(or Sallowglen), Co.Kerry,
died 1812,
had issue:
- Thomas William Sandes, of Sallow Glen, born 1771.
- William Sandes,
born 1774
[Adrian Sandes].
He
mar Aphra Wren
[descendant of Edward III].
He was
of Pyrmont House, near Tarbert, Co. Kerry
(just NE of Sallow Glen,
nearer to Tarbert).
He was
at Pyrmont by 1814
[Houses of Kerry].
He
was a party to the dispute over
Louisa Ponsonby's pregnancy and inheritance
in 1825-1829.
His brother-in-law was
William Carrique Ponsonby,
Louisa's uncle and apparent guardian.
Later his son married William's dau (Louisa's 1st cousin).
He died 1852.
William and Aphra
had issue:
- Margaret Sandes, eldest dau,
mar 1823 to
Robert Leslie
and had issue.
-
Rev. Robert Wren Sandes,
Robert Leslie Wren Sandes,
born 1820.
He entered TCD 1839, age 19.
Curate of Listowel 1848.
See
[Ardfert and Aghadoe Clergy].
Curate of Aghavallen
(Ballylongford)
at least 1850 to 1858.
See
[Ardfert and Aghadoe Clergy].
He baptised
Kitchener
at Aghavallen in 1850.
Living Ballylongford at mar.
He
mar 1852 to
Alicia Ponsonby.
No issue.
He was her 1st cousin, and he was 1st cousin of her sister's husband.
They possibly lived at
Coolbeha House, Co.Kerry,
but there is confusion about this.
He later lived Norwood Villas, Rushbrooke,
Queenstown (Cobh),
Co.Cork.
Alicia died pre-1895.
Rev. Robert died 26 Jan 1895, at his home, Norwood Villas, age 74 yrs.
See death cert
from
here.
Will pr 23 April 1895.
See entry
from
here.
- Rev. Stephen Creagh Sandes,
born 1778, at Sallow Glen, Co.Kerry,
Bishop of Cashel and Waterford 1839-1842,
had issue:
- Samuel Dickson Sandes, born 1822,
had issue:
- Mary Sandes, born 1861,
mar John Gerard Baker and had issue.
Pyrmont House,
near Tarbert,
Co.Kerry.
From
1887 to 1913 map.
Pyrmont House
is now demolished
and there is a new building at the site.
See
street view
of entrance drive today.
Or Sallowglen.
Between Ballylongford and Tarbert,
Co.Kerry
(see
old map).
The house has been demolished. Some ruins remain.
Sallow Glen.
From
1887 to 1913 map.
Sallow Glen on modern
satellite view.
See
street view
of NW entrance.
See
street view
of SE entrance (with gate lodge).
Sallow Glen.
From
[McAuliffe, vol.1, 2011, p.108].
See larger
and full size.
Sallow Glen.
From
[McAuliffe, vol.1, 2011, p.108].
See larger
and full size.
Sallow Glen.
From
[Irish Country Houses].
Sallow Glen.
From Mike Sandes.
Formerly
here.
Used with permission.
Rev. Robert Sandes
above
baptised
Lord Kitchener
in 1850.
But was Kitchener
also born in his house?
Coolbeha House and Gunsborough House
are close to each other,
between Ballylongford and Listowel, Co.Kerry.
There is
confusion about the two houses,
whether Rev. Robert Sandes lived in either,
and where Kitchener was born in 1850.
-
[Adrian Sandes]
says Gunsborough was home of Rev. Robert Sandes, and he and his wife
were friends of the Kitcheners,
and Lord Kitchener was born at Gunsborough in 1850
when his mother was on a visit to Sandes.
But Rev. Robert was not married in 1850.
-
[Kitchener: Architect of Victory, Artisan of Peace, John Pollock, 2001]
says Mrs. Kitchener went to stay with
"a retired clergyman, Robert Sandes, and his wife"
at Gunsborough.
But Rev. Robert was neither retired nor married in 1850.
-
[Gaughan, 1974]
says "Mrs. Sandes" (unidentified) of Gunsborough
was a friend of Kitchener's mother,
and Kitchener was born at Gunsborough on a visit.
Perhaps these are other Sandes.
[Gaughan, 1974]
says "Gunsborough Villa" was re-named Coolbeha House.
But they are separate places.
1829 to 1842 map
shows Coolbeha House always had that name.
- COOLBEHA and GUNSBOROUGH in
[Houses of Kerry]
say Sandes was at Coolbeha
not Gunsborough.
[Houses of Kerry]
says "Mrs. Sandes" (unidentified) of Coolbeha
was a friend of Kitchener's mother,
and Kitchener was born at Coolbeha on a visit.
Again, perhaps these are other Sandes.
[Houses of Kerry]
lists Mahony
as owner of Gunsborough.
-
Page 40
in
[Grew, 1916]
says it was the Kitcheners who were living at Gunsborough, which was owned by Mahony,
and Kitchener was born at Gunsborough.
No visit or Sandes are mentioned.
Page 2
in
[Life of Lord Kitchener, Sir George Arthur, 1920, vol.1]
is similar.
Page 12
in
[The Story of Lord Kitchener, Harold F.B. Wheeler, 1916]
is similar.
- The
listing
for Coolbeha
in [Griffiths Valuation, 1851]
has Coolbeha House held by Mahony.
- The
listing
for Knockenagh North
in [Griffiths Valuation, 1851]
has all Knockenagh North held by Mahony.
Gunsborough House
is being used as
"Auxiliary workhouse and office".
More research is needed to make sense of all this.
Coolbeha House,
Coolbeha townland,
Galey par
(between Ballylongford and Listowel), Co.Kerry, on
1887 to 1913 map.
Gunsborough House, Knockenagh North townland, Galey par
(between Ballylongford and Listowel), Co.Kerry, on
1887 to 1913 map.
Gunsborough House.
From
Kerry County Museum.
See larger
and full size.
References
Sources yet to be consulted
- SANDES genealogy in
[Pielou, 1935]
- Sandes Estate Papers, 1850s-1925.
[KCL].
- Referenced by
[Adrian Sandes]:
- EWC Sandes, Sandes Family History, Vols 1-10, 1966.
- SM Sandes, Sandes Family History, Vol 11, 1975.
- A. Blackmore, Notes on Sandes family, 1998.
- [NLI Ms]
