Humphrys genealogy

Genealogy research by Mark Humphrys.


Thomond - The garage


The garage

The garage where the Thomonds were built.
The garage of James A. Jones, Haddington Road, St.Peter's parish, Dublin.
Near Baggot St Bridge over the Grand Canal.
In the old area of Baggotrath.
  


The location on Google 3D view today.
Left to right: Site of Parsons' garage, Bridge House, Baggot St Bridge, 1 Victoria Buildings, site of Thomond garage, Murray's car rental.


  

Before Jones (up to 1914)

Haddington Road was part of the Pembroke Estate.
Haddington Road is named after Thomas Hamilton, 9th Earl of Haddington, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland in 1835.
Ultimately after Haddington in Scotland.
On 1889 map (formerly here) there is nothing at the future site of the garage.
See old photo of Haddington Road in The Lawrence Photograph Collection. Does not cover the garage location.
The garage location is clearly shown in [Thom's, 1905, p.1558] and the garage does not yet exist.

By lease of 14 Feb 1907, Edward M. Le Flufy and Trevor E. Winkworth took out a 99 year lease of the site from the Grand Canal Company of what is apparently an empty site on the canal bank. It was this lease that was transferred to successive occupants, rather than the freehold, which remained with the Grand Canal Company (later amalgamated into CIE)
Le Flufy and Winkworth constructed a garage, and commenced trading.
"Le Flufy and Winkworth, automobile engineers" are listed at the site in [Thom's, 1910, p.1789].
See Haddington Rd in 1911 census. Census numbers match the actual house numbers. Think no entry for garage since no one living there.
"The Motor and Accessories Co." is listed there in [Thom's, 1914, p.1818].

  


Baggot St Bridge on 1897 map.
None of the buildings at the bridge exist.
The Thomond site is empty.



Baggot St Bridge on OS map, would be 1897 to 1913.
1 Victoria Buildings ("Bank") has been built on Upper Baggot St.
Thomond garage site is to RHS of bank, on Haddington Road.



Old photo from Archiseek showing view from the W.
1 Victoria Buildings exists, so this is after 1897.
Bridge House does not yet exist.
Hard to see what is going on at site of Thomond garage.


 
Extracts from [Thom's, 1910].
Left: Parsons and the bank shown on Upper Baggot St on p.1781.
Right: "Le Flufy and Winkworth, automobile engineers" shown on Haddington Road on p.1789.
It looks at first like Le Flufy and Winkworth are at the tail end (E end) of the S side of Haddington Road, running from the bridge to Shelbourne Road. But Shelbourne Road is not on the canal bank, so you realise they are at the start of the N side of Haddington Road.
Brian Hogan remembered that there used to be a little quay on the canalside, between Baggot St Bridge and Jones' garage, where barges would unload turf.




"The Motor and Accessories Co." is listed at the site in [Thom's, 1914, pp.1818-1819].


  

James A. Jones (1915 to 1939)

James A. Jones set up in business here.
James A. Jones, automobile engineer, is listed here in [Thom's, 1915, p.1818].
Description of the garage during Jones' time:

Anthony Murray thought Jones was an agent for Citroen at one stage. Even if he was, no showroom was ever built.
One of the family photos shows Jim and Norah sitting in a Citroen tourer somewhere in Co.Wicklow, mid-1920s.

Henry Barlee remembered that for quite some time, Jones advertised his business as Thomond Motors Ltd. He had cut-out letters on a big wire hoarding on the wall to the E side (Murray's car rental) proclaiming: "J.A. Jones - Thomond Motors".

Jones is still listed there in [Thom's, 1938, p.683].
In 1938, Benny Parsons left Jones to start up his own garage a hundred yards away on Mespil Road.
By Deed of 5 May 1939, "James Jones of Thomond Motor Works" sold out his lease to Thomas Redmond and James Conway, motor engineers.

  



James A. Jones is listed at the site on pp.1818-1819 of [Thom's, 1915].



Brian Hogan said that in Jones' time the garage had a rounded haybarn-style roof with a rusty iron covering.
It may have been a two-span roof like in this sketch. See full size.
It was certainly changed a lot during the war, after Jones left.



Ad for Jones' garage in [Thom's, 1923, p.2297].
See full size.



Thomond no.2, probably 1932-1933.
At the garage on Haddington Rd, with Jones on the right.



Jones listed on p.683 of [Thom's, 1938].


  

The Thomond letterhead

A letterhead of Jones' garage survives, calling itself "Thomond Motors".
  

Letterhead of Jones' garage, calling itself "Thomond Motors".
Letterhead written all over by Dick Humphreys.
The picture shows Thomond no.2. The text is about the achievements of Thomond no.1.
See larger and full size. See full page.


  

Mike Dover and the Sedgwick article

In Oct 1971, Michael Sedgwick published a story on the Thomond in Veteran and Vintage magazine [Sedgwick, 1971].
This was based on a discovery by Mike Dover. Here is how it happened.

Dick Humphreys died in Sept 1968, still running his small tyre and motor accessories business in 36 Pearse St at the end.
The family held on to the premises, but no one took over the business, which was very quiet at the end.
In May 1971, Mike Dover, a student in TCD at the time and a motor enthusiast, came upon the premises at 36 Pearse St (opposite TCD) being cleared out by the builders. He went in and talked to them and asked if he could look around.

The "wicker work" myth:
Dover found two Edwardian-style wickerwork basket seats with leather upholstery around the edges. It is unclear what these were. These would never have been used on a car as late as the 1920s. Whatever Dick was doing with them, no doubt they were nothing to do with the Thomond.
Dover also found, scattered round the floor, bits of Thomond letterheads, all identical, and all torn. He could more or less piece together a complete one. And either he or Michael Sedgwick pieced it together as: "Specialists in all kinds of wicker work".
In fact, what it actually said was: "Specialists in all kinds of machine work". Presumably there was a rip though the word 'machine' and they connected the seats with the Thomond and made a guess. "Specialists in all kinds of wicker work" is what got printed in Veteran and Vintage magazine.
Of all the people I have spoken to who have seen and worked on Thomonds, not one remembers any wickerwork. Indeed it became a running joke in my family as I carried out my research.

Sedgwick also mis-spelled Mike's surname as 'Dove' which made him hard to track down. I spent a year searching for the elusive 'Mike Dove' before I met Kieran White and he told me "Dover! That's the one!"
Despite the confusion, Dover's discovery and the Sedgwick article did introduce a photograph of the Thomond to motoring historians, who previously had no known picture. (Dick's 1963 article having gone unnoticed by a wider audience.)

  

Extract from [Sedgwick, 1971] introducing the "wicker work" myth.


  

After Jones (1939 to 1971)

Thomas Redmond and James Conway bought the garage from Jones on 5 May 1939.
They ran it under the name of "Auto Maintenance Garage". They changed the appearance of the garage considerably.

In 1946, W.G. Wilkinson Ltd bought the garage. See 1947 article.
They sold Morris and Rover cars, and bought this as a service property. The new premises on Haddington Road, 'W.G. Wilkinson Ltd, garage and service station', complemented their showrooms on 26 Lower Pembroke St.
Wilkinson demolished the Jones garage around 1947.
A new architect-designed building was erected by 1949. It is now called No.2 Haddington Rd.
In 1957, W.G. Wilkinson Ltd and the Shelbourne Motor Co. Ltd. amalgamated. They ran a number of outlets including 2 Haddington Rd. Both names were used since W.G. Wilkinson Ltd ran the car sales, repair and petrol sales, while Shelbourne Motor Co.Ltd. operated limousine, coach and car hire departments.

In 1967, a new, separate company called Shelbourne Car Hire Ltd purchased the Haddington Rd garage. Final end of Wilkinson involvement. Shelbourne ran a car hire and chauffeur drive service.
Previous information from W.G. Wilkinson and Joan Newman.
Paddy Beattie said a lot of the machinery would have been sold in 1967, as Shelbourne Car Hire Ltd only carried out small repairs on their cars.

In 1971, Shelbourne Car Hire Ltd, in financial trouble, sold the garage.
The garage was purchased by the Bank of Ireland (next door), who demolished it. They extended their premises by about 15 feet onto the site, and paved over the rest as a car park.
Previous information from Anthony Murray and Paddy Beattie and Jim Barr.




"Auto Maintenance Garage" listed at the site on p.1461 of [Thom's, 1940].



The garage as bought by Wilkinson. From 1947 article.
Shortly before demolition.
See larger and full page.



Wilkinson's new, architect-designed garage.
From Motoring Life, Dec 1949.
See larger and full size.



The Thomond garage still exists on p.341 of [Thom's, 1971].



The Thomond garage is gone on p.366 of [Thom's, 1973].


  

  

The garage site after demolition

  

  

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