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Miscellaneous other families

Miscellaneous families that are possibly related to our Flanagan family, apart from:

Carty of Charleville House, Templeogue

Liam Cosgrave said that "Mrs. McCarthy" of Charleville, Firhouse Road, Templeogue (near Tallaght) was meant to be a cousin of his mother.
This must be the Carty family below.
Charleville House is found in [Thom's] under different locations depending on the year.
It is found under Rathfarnham, Roundtown, Terenure and under Templeogue.

"James Reid" is listed at Charleville in [Thom's, 1850].
"John Kellett" is listed at Charleville in [Thom's, 1857].
Charleville House, with farm of 24 acres, is listed for sale in Freemans Journal, March 2, 1857 (see under "Auctions").
"James Reid" is listed at Charleville in [Thom's, 1858].

Carty are listed at Charleville in [Thom's] from 1859 to 1887 or 1888.
"John Carty" is listed at Charleville in [Thom's] 1859 to 1882.
"Mrs. Carthy" of Charleville is listed in Irish Times, July 9, 1873, as a subscriber for the new church at Rathfarnham (as is William Flanagan junior).
"William Carty" is listed at Charleville in [Thom's] 1883 to at least 1887.

"P.J. McCabe" is listed at Charleville in Freemans Journal, June 22, 1888 (see small ads under "Horses for sale").
"Mr. P.J. McCabe" is listed at Charleville in [Thom's, 1889].
"Mrs. B. Baldwin" and "Charles C. Baldwin" are listed at Charleville in [Thom's, 1894].
"Joseph G. Furlong" is listed at Charleville in [Thom's, 1901].
"Mrs. Gibson" is listed at Charleville in [Thom's, 1906].
"Doody, P. & O'Loughlin" are listed at Charleville in [Thom's, 1910].
"P.Doody" is listed at Charleville in [Thom's, 1919].
"Mrs. Doody" is listed at Charleville in [Thom's, 1945].
Charleville House survives today. It is now a school.
See satellite view. See NIAH.

They might be the following:

Ellen Flanagan, born est c.1810,
mar William Carty,
had issue:
1. Thomas Carty,
  bapt 21 February 1839 [St.Catherine's RC par records], Dublin, sp Maurice Kent and Bridget Jackson.

Not relevant:

Ellen Carty, born 1797,
pauper, died South Dublin workhouse, 28 Mar 1867, age 70,
see [GROI], 1867, Dublin South.

Charleville House on 1887 to 1913 map.

Charleville House.
See full size.
From South Dublin Libraries.

Lamphier and Lawlor

Frank Flanagan said that Lawlor of Irishtown House, Clondalkin, Co.Dublin, were relations.
But Dody Lawlor said they weren't. She said the Flanagans were gardeners to the Lamphiers and that is how the two families knew each other.

Dody Lawlor thought the Flanagans were gardeners to the Lamphiers when the Lamphiers lived at Drimnagh Castle, but in fact it was Bridget Cavanagh's family that lived at Drimnagh Castle.
John Byrne confirms there is no record of the Lamphiers living at Drimnagh Castle.
Lamphier lived at Ballyfermot Castle.

It also seems that the Flanagans knew the Lawlors from before they were connected with Lamphier.
Whether related or not, Liam Cosgrave says the families were always very good friends:

Joseph Lamphier.
NOT Lanphier. French.
Lieutenant, or Lieutenant Colonel.
He mar Bridget Cavanagh [or Cavanaugh, or Mary Bridget Cavanagh, born 1788].
Her family lived at Drimnagh Castle in 19th century.
Joe Webster says she was of Goldenbridge.
They lived Ballyfermot.
His military records in [NA.UK] say he lived at the medieval Ballyfermot Castle.
BALLYFERMOT in [Lewis, 1837] says: "Ballyfermot Castle, an ancient building, is now the residence of Capt. Lamplin".
"Capt. S. Lanphier", Ballyfermot Castle, is one of the subscribers to [Lewis, 1837]. This might be a relation of Joseph rather than himself.
Wikipedia says Joseph and Bridget lived in the 17th century Ballyfermot House beside the older Ballyfermot Castle.
Joseph was bur Goldenbridge cemetery, Inchicore, 7th Nov 1838.
Family lived 142 James's St, Dublin, before c.1850.
Bridget bur Goldenbridge, 23rd Feb 1870, age 82 yrs.
Joseph and Bridget had issue:
1. Margaret Lamphier,
  bapt 23 November 1811 [St.James' RC church, James's St, Dublin].
2. Bridget Lamphier,
  Bridget Ann, bapt 22 September 1816 [St.James' RC church, James's St, Dublin].
3. William Lamphier.
4. Marianne Lamphier [or Maryanne, or Mary Anne], born est c.1820,
  mar John Lawlor [born est c.1810] and had issue.
5. Patrick Lamphier.
6. Peter Lamphier, born 1827,
  bapt 20 Apr 1827 [Clondalkin RC par records],
  emigrated to Canada.
7. Ellen Lamphier, mar --- Bradley.
8. Joseph Lamphier, born Co.Dublin,
  meant to be born 12 Mar 1831, but must be 1830,
  bapt 12 Mar 1830 [Clondalkin RC par records],
  emigrated to Canada,
  great grandfather of:
  1. Joe Webster.