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Mickey Tim Ryan



Mickey Tim Ryan, bapt 15 Oct 1820.
He inherited the farm at Newross, NE of Newport, Co.Tipperary.
His father seems to have died in 1828 to 1835.
"Michael Ryan" sp the bapt of his nephew Tim Foley 1836.
"Mick Ryan" wit his sister's mar 1841.
"Michael Ryan" sp bapt of his niece Margaret Humphrys 1842.
"Michael Ryan" sp the bapt of his nephew Michael Foley 1843.

He mar 1843 to Bridget Ryan.
She was dau of Richard and Bridget Ryan, of Ballyadam, Caherconlish par, Co.Limerick (see map). These were the Ryan "Chicken" family. No relation of our Ryans.
There was a story, I think from Bee Moynihan, that Bridget Ryan's brothers were looking round, trying to make a match for her. They tried several places, none good enough. They came to Mickey Tim's, and were given whiskey in a decanter, and they thought: "this is the place".

Mickey Tim and Bridget were living Newross at children's baptisms 1844-48.
He was supposed to have had sympathies with Young Irelanders of 1848.
"Michael Ryan (Tim)" is listed in [Griffiths Valuation, 1848 and 1850] as leasing 131 acres (with a big house) and other holdings in Newross townland. He had the biggest house in the townland. He had the biggest farm in the townland. All leasing from the landlord Bolton Waller.

Evicted from Newross, moves to Ahane (Cully), apparently 1850:
The story is that the Ryans were evicted from Newross by the landlord Bolton Waller, for non-payment of 2 years rent, total £400.
They ended up in a poor farm at the Ahane crossroads nearby (a real come-down from Newross) which was given to them by Waller.
This location is referred to as "Cully" or "Ahane".
The new farm was only a few hundred yards from the lost family home at Newross.
Mickey Tim and Bridget are listed at children's baptisms 1850-55 as living at "Ahane".

Mickey Tim's probable uncle, William Ryan of Newross, was apparently the last Ryan in Newross, and was apparently evicted in 1854.
It is thought that after William Ryan of Newross was evicted 1854, he went to join (his probable nephew) Mickey, already living at Ahane/Cully.
These Ryans got the nickname "Cadea" ("lazy" in old Irish). They got a name for always idling, didn't do any work to pay the rent.
The landlord had a lot of trouble selling Newross after the eviction - met with a lot of resistance.

Mickey Tim listed as living "Cully" at children's baptisms 1857-63.
Think they lived Ahane / Cully until their deaths.
He died 9 pm, Mon 27 July 1891, age 70 yrs.
Funeral 29 July 1891, bur Cragg (NW of Newport, see map).
"Ahane" is listed as home of daughter at wedding 1892.
Bridget died Wed 10 May 1893.
Funeral 12 May 1893, bur Cragg.
Mickey Tim and Bridget had issue:


  1. Thady Ryan,
    Tim, born Newross,
    bapt "Timothy", 29th Nov 1844 [Newport RC par records], sp John Ryan, Johanna Ryan,
    mar Sat 3rd Feb 1894 [Newport RC par records] to Kate Ryan [Katherine, Catherine],
    mar wit by Patrick Carroll and Margaret Gregan,
    she was a Ryan "Dick" from Cragg, NW of Newport (see map),
    apparently these are different to Ryan "Dick" of Mary Glen,
    Thady died 22nd Mar 1916, age 71 yrs,
    had issue:

    1. Bridget Ryan,
      bapt 20th Nov 1894 [Newport RC par records], sp Patt Waller, Mary Waller (probably her uncle and aunt),
      mar --- Moloney [NOT Maloney, of Newport],
      she died 1951, age 57 yrs,
      had issue:
      1. Timmy Moloney.
      2. Josephine Moloney.
      3. Paul Moloney, mar Ethel Boland.
      4. Kitty Moloney, mar --- Woods.
      5. Paddy Moloney.
      6. Bridie Moloney, mar Paud Hayes.

    2. Michael Ryan,
      bapt 7th Dec 1896 [Newport RC par records], sp James Ryan, Kate Ryan,
      died c.1903, age 6 yrs.

    3. Margaret Ryan,
      Maggie, born 26th Mar 1898,
      bapt 29th Mar 1898 [Newport RC par records], sp Samuel Carroll, Margaret Carroll,
      mar John Kelly [of Knocksentry, Killeenagarriff par, Co.Limerick, E of Limerick city, see map],
      they lived Knocksentry,
      he died 4th Oct 1979,
      she died c.1989, age c.91 yrs,
      had issue:
      1. Joan Kelly.
      2. Kathleen Kelly, mar Patrick Boyle.

    4. Mary Ryan,
      bapt 24th Feb 1901 [Newport RC par records], sp John Ryan, Anne Waller,
      mar Tom McCormack [of Newport],
      she died 1983, age 82 yrs,
      had issue:
      1. Jerry McCormack, mar Marcella Quane.
      2. Tadgh McCormack.
      3. Kathy McCormack [Katherine], mar Peter Powrie.
      4. Margaret McCormack, mar --- Kelly.
      5. Michael McCormack, mar Eileen O'Connor.
      6. Mary McCormack, mar Donie Shine.

    5. Catherine Ryan,
      bapt 10th June 1903 [Newport RC par records], sp Patrick Ryan, Margaret Donnell,
      NOT Katherine,
      died 1916, age 13 yrs.


  2. Margaret Ryan,
    born Newross,
    bapt 7th Feb 1848 [Newport RC par records], sp Laurence Ryan, Johanna Keogh.

  3. John Ryan,
    born Ahane,
    bapt 16th Aug 1850 [Newport RC par records], sp John Dwane, Anne Maters,
    emigrated and died in America

  4. Richard Ryan,
    place of birth not listed at bapt (but must be Ahane),
    bapt 11th Nov 1852 [Newport RC par records], sp Andy Kennedy, Mary Kennedy,
    went to America,
    died July/Aug 1893, New York, age 40 yrs,
    he was prayed for at mass in Newport on Sun 6th Aug 1893.

  5. Michael Ryan,
    born Ahane,
    bapt 24th Apr 1855 [Newport RC par records], sp James Humphrys and Ann Foley.


  6. Bridget Ryan,
    born Cully, 15th Aug 1857,
    bapt 26th Aug 1857 [Newport RC par records], sp Benjamin Young, Catherine Brien,
    went to Parnell public meetings in 1880s,
    living "Ahane" at mar 1892,
    mar 16th Feb 1892 [Newport RC par records] to Jeremiah O'Brien and had issue,
    mar wit by Andrea O'Brien and Elline Ryan.


  7. Laurence Ryan,
    place of birth not listed at bapt (but must be Cully),
    bapt "Laurence", 24th Jan 1860 [Newport RC par records], sp Jim Ryan, Catherine Burns,
    think NOT Lawrence,
    mar --- Lysaght [of Doon, Co.Limerick],
    emigrated to America,
    died in America, 1929, age 69 yrs,
    had issue:
    1. Laurence Ryan.
    2. Rita Ryan.


  8. Catherine Ryan,
    Kate, "Kathy", NOT Katherine,
    born Cully,
    bapt "Catherine", 28th Sept 1863 [Newport RC par records], sp Bartholomew Ryan, Alice O'Brien,
    parents dead 1893,
    she went to live with sister Bridget at Knocksentry, Killeenagarriff par, Co.Limerick,
    must have met husband through this (he was from Killeenagarriff par),
    living "Ahane" at mar 1894,
    this most likely refers to her old family farm, though there is an Ahane SW of Knocksentry (see old map),

    mar Tue 13th Nov 1894 [Newport RC par records] to James Minihane and had issue,
    mar wit by Tim Minihane and Margaret Carroll.


  
There may be another daughter:

  1. Mary Ryan,
    living "Ahane" at mar 1877,
    mar 6th Feb 1877 [Newport RC par records] to Patt Waller [Patrick, poss. Pat],
    she possibly married some distant, dispossessed relation of the man who evicted her own family,
    mar wit by Andrew Meara, Hanora McGrath,
    had issue:
    1. Annie Waller,
      born Cully,
      bapt Anne, 10th Jan 1884 [Newport RC par records], sp James Gleeson, Bridget Ryan,
      mar Simon Carney.
  



The new Ryan farm at "Cully" or "Ahane"

The new Ryan farm, Castlewaller townland, Kilnarath par, NE of Newport, Co.Tipperary.
"Cully" is the old name for Castlewaller townland.
The farm location is also called "Ahane" since it is next to the Ahane crossroads.
Note there is a place called "Culley Rock" or "Culley Rocks" some distance away inside Castlewaller townland (see old map).
  

Ahane crossroads on 1829 to 1842 map.
Note Ahane townland. Newross townland (and old Ryan farm) is to N. The huge Castlewaller townland is to E.
The new Ryan farm was apparently at the NE side of the crossroads (around the red cross).
This is in Castlewaller townland. So it was called "Cully" (the old name for Castlewaller townland) or "Ahane" (at the crossroads).



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