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Sir Thomas Orby, 1st Baronet

View of Covent Garden dated 1737.
Sir Thomas Orby, 1st Baronet, lived in 1677 to 1691 in No. 3 Great Piazza, Covent Garden.
This is the RHS 3 bays of the 8 bay arcaded building on the RHS here.

Sir Thomas Orby, 1st Baronet (see here),
born est c.1607.
He mar post-1633 to Katharine Guernier [or Katherine, of France].
Her being French might suggest they met and married when he was in exile on the Continent (after 1646), except that seems too late for the 2nd Baronet's birth. [Complete Baronetage] thinks they married before c.1640, i.e. before exile.

He was Royalist in the English Civil War (started 1642).
He went into exile on the Continent with Charles II (who was in exile for most of the 1646 to 1660 period).
He was an attendant to Charles I's widow Henrietta Maria in exile after Charles I's execution 1649.
One of their children was born 1658 in Paris.
He was cr Baronet 9 Oct 1658 in exile in Brussels. (Charles II had moved his exiled court to Brussels in Feb 1658.)

Restoration 1660. He returned to England.
He was granted Croyland Abbey and Manor, Lincolnshire (some distance S of Burton Pedwardine) by Charles II, 1671.
He lived No. 3 Great Piazza, Covent Garden, London, from 1677 until death 1691.
He died at his house in Covent Garden, 1691, age est c.84 yrs.
(todo) Search London Gazette.
Administration of his will 23 Mar 1692 [using [NJ] date format, note that at the time this was regarded as the end of 1691].
Katharine died in St Martin-in-the-Fields parish (beside Covent Garden parish), London, 1706,
bur St Martin-in-the-Fields, 1 Feb 1706 [using [NJ] date format, note that at the time this was regarded as the end of 1705].
Administration of her will 6 July 1717.
1st Baronet and Katharine had issue:

  1. Sir Charles Orby, 2nd Baronet,
    of Croyland Abbey,
    [Complete Baronetage] thinks born c.1640, and must be true he was born this early if wife born 1636.
    He mar 1stly to Anne Swinglehurst [born 1636, dau of Richard Swinglehurst].
    Anne died 1690, age 54 yrs.
    He succ as Baronet 1691.
    He mar 2ndly, licence 1707, to Anne Hopegood [think NOT Howgood].
    Anne was a widow. Her 1st marriage was to Sir William Beeston [born 1636, Governor of Jamaica, died 1702]. He was bur in the parish church of Titchfield in Hampshire. See DNB.
    Sir William Beeston owned plantations and houses in Jamaica. He left them to his widow Anne rather than his dau, and there was a dispute between the two over his will until 1710, when his widow Anne won possession of the properties [Lustig, 1983].
    Note that later (in 1727) Elizabeth Orby's husband General Robert Hunter became Governor of Jamaica.

    2nd Baronet sold part of Chertsey, Surrey in 1710. Though some remained to be inherited later.
    He lived St Martin-in-the-Fields parish, London.
    He died St Martin-in-the-Fields parish, 1716, age c.76 yrs.
    Administration of estate 11 May 1716. Administration completed 31 May 1716.
    Anne's will dated 16 Mar 1721.
    She died 1721, bur with 1st husband at Titchfield, Hampshire.
    Her will pr 15 Aug 1721, Prerogative Court of Canterbury.
    Further administration of 2nd Baronet's estate 5 Mar 1736 [using [NJ] date format, at the time regarded as the end of 1735]. Granted to Edward Manby. Administration completed March 1736.

  2. Sir Thomas Orby, 3rd Baronet,
    of Croyland Abbey,
    born 1658 in Paris.
    He was educ Wadham College, Oxford. He matriculated 22 July 1676, age 18. BA 1680.
    He mar est c.1685 to Charlotte Gerard [born c.1651, descendant of Edward III].
    He was granted "estates in the Counties of Chester and Lancaster" by his wife's brother Fitton Gerard, 3rd Earl of Macclesfield (died 1702).
    He succ as Baronet 1716.
    Will dated 13 Sept 1723.
    He died St Martin-in-the-Fields parish, London, 7 Feb 1724 [using [NJ] date format, at the time regarded as the end of 1723], age 66 yrs.
    Baronetcy extinct.
    He was bur 11 Feb 1724, Chapel of the Savoy, London.
    Will pr 12 Feb 1724, Prerogative Court of Canterbury.
    Charlotte re-married in old age and died before 1729.
    Further admin of estate of 3rd Baronet on 2 Apr 1730.
    3rd Baronet and Charlotte had issue:

    1. Elizabeth Orby,
      only dau,
      born 1686 [Lustig, 1983].
      She mar 1stly, London, 1705 [Boyd's Marriage Index] [her age 19, him age c.37] to Lord John Hay [born c.1668], no issue.
      They possibly married at St.Dunstan's church, Stepney, London [Boyd's Marriage Index].
      He died Aug 1706.

      She mar 2ndly, 1707 [her age 21, him age 41] to General Robert Hunter [bapt Oct 1666] and had issue.
      Hunter was one of her 1st husband's officers.
      She died 1716 and was posthumous heiress of her father (died 1724) and uncle (died 1716).
      Her family, known as "Orby Hunter", inherited Croyland.

    2. Thomas Orby,
      bapt 19 Dec 1693, St Martin-in-the-Fields, London,
      the child of "Thomas Orby Esq. and the Lady Catherine Orby" [sic],
      see baptism entry,
      must have died young.

Elizabeth Orby is dau of 3rd Baronet not 1st Baronet

Some sources incorrectly say that Elizabeth Orby is dau of Sir Thomas Orby, 1st Baronet, rather than Sir Thomas Orby, 3rd Baronet.
But the dates make no sense for the 1st Baronet.
Elizabeth has children born c.1715, so she must be born c.1670 or later, so she cannot have a full sibling born c.1640.
Put another way, she cannot have children born c.1715 if her brother's wife was born 1636.
[Lustig, 1983] says that she is dau of 3rd Baronet, and she is age 30 at death 1716 (born 1686).

The 3rd Baronet's widow was party to a case dated 9 Mar 1726.
From Reports of cases .. in the High Court of Parliament, 1701 to 1779, vol.3, p.248, pub 1784.

The case deals with the 3rd Baronet, not the 1st (who died 1691).

The proof that Elizabeth is dau of the 3rd Baronet, not the 1st.

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